>MF Blume wrote:
>> This directly refutes the following:
>>
>> Rom 5:17-19
>>
>> This is plain. One man, Adam, made many people sinners. The fact
>> that people are born in sin has nothing to do with what Abraham;'s sin
>> may be or may not be. We are born in sin.
>This is unjust. Unfair. In a word, unGod-like. A human might conceive
>of the justice of such retaliation, but not the God revealed by Christ.
I understand you do not represent Bahai fiath properly, for bahais claim to accept Paul's words. None have explained to me what Romans 5:12-14, 19 says though, but they claim Paul was right.
It is fully righteous for God to assess things as He did. He gave Adam the title deed of humanity and leadership over the world. If your son was given a car by you, and he gambled it away at a poker match, you could not simply go to the winner and seize the keys. No. Your son chose to do what he did with his responsibility and you must honour that choice. You are comparing Adam with the rest of us, and that cannot be so. Adam was head over creation. None of us are. Another Adam had to come after the first Adam failed. That was Jesus Christ.
How does Bahai faith differ?
Adam gave in to Satan and God respects Adam's choice and lovingly made a way for Adam's race to be redeemed.
You make it sound as though God rendered all men sinful, when that is not what I said. Adam did the dirty work. Not God. Adam walked away from God and died. And we were all born outside the Garden with the need to return privided only by Christ's death. That is love!!!
>This is the God Christ reveals:
>"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock,
>and it shall be opened unto you:
Exactly!!! Why should we have to ask for anything? We are without what we need for some reason, necessitating us to ask, knock and seek. We need to return to the Garden. Man made himself sinful through Adam. But Paul reasons that if that be so, and it is, then why cannot another man make us righteous through his actions? And one did, namely Jesus.
>I must conclude therefore that we have had a massive
>misunderstanding about Who God is and what He is like.
>Call me silly, but I'll go with Christ's understanding
>of the nature of God.
You imply that Paul was wrong, and you say that I believe God is mean and makes us sinners, when I said Adam made us sinners, and God could not violate his own law and choice in giving Adam the authority to do good or evil and affect us all, something which neither you nor I could ever do.
Mike Blume